A few days ago I read an article criticizing someone I'd never heard of because he had criticized Andrew Sullivan, someone I had heard of but don't care much about. After a couple of relevant comments on the article, the conversation suddenly and inexplicably turned to the question of Wittgenstein's influence on past and present analytic philosophy. A commentor claimed that Wittgenstein, through his "baleful" influence on analytic philosophy, had replaced "real philosophy" with "wallowing" in "arid" language-games. The article's author responded
To the extent that Wittgenstein ever exerted a significant influence over the direction of analytic philosophy, it was the Tractatus, not the Philosophical Investigations that exerted that influence. But not even TLP was all that influential in the development of analytic philosophy. For the most part Wittgenstein was and is regarded as a brilliant anomaly whose work has not guided other philosophers' research. (The one notable exception is itself a very odd case.)"
The notable exception was later said to be Kripke's discussion of rule-following. This sweeping dismissal of Wittgenstein's influence received some minor qualification a few comments down:
I don't deny for a moment that Wittgenstein has stimulated a fair amount of fruitful philosophical work (TLP much more than PI), but if you were to examine the development of analytic philosophy over the 20th century to the present, Wittgensteinian thought, either Tractarian or Investigative, would look like a narrow branch off the main road.
This qualification was prompted by a comment pointing out that the TLP had been influential on the logical positivists, and the PI had been influential on figures such as Anscombe and Malcolm (both Wittgenstein's students). It's not clear how logical positivism could have been a "narrow branch off the main road" given that Quine's highly influential philosophy emerged as a response to logical positivism (in particular, Carnap's). Apparently, the author thinks that logical positivism is a "narrow branch off the main road" because it is a "dead project."
At this point, a couple of philosophy professors get involved. Bryan Frances (Fordham) responded to the author:
I can't agree with some of what you said about analytic philosophy and W's influence on it. [...] W's PI was, in my opinion, quite influential in analytic philosophy of language, although the influence is indirect. Colin McGinn's Wittgenstein book is helpful on this matter. The emphasis on context is enormous now, and nearly everyone is vigilant in checking to see if they are being hoodwinked by various grammatical constructions and patterns. As I understand it, these developments owe much to the PI.
I say these things as a Fordham professor specializing in core analytic philosophy!
Fortunately for the author, Jason Stanley (Rutgers) came to his defense:
Except for debates about rule-following, which occupy a rather small corner of the philosophy of language, PI has had a much smaller impact on analytic philosophy than non-philosophers think. For example, I'm a contemporary analytic philosopher at a pretty good department, and almost none of the work of my colleagues has been influenced by PI (perhaps none). And a lot of the influence of PI has [...] been due to Kripke's book.
This was getting interesting, so I decided to throw my two cents in. I pointed out that the TLP was in fact highly influential on two significant movements in analytic philosophy — Cambridge analysis (e.g., Ramsey, Braithwaite, Wisdom, and Russell himself) and logical positivism (e.g., Schlick, Waismann, Carnap) — and that the PI was highly influential on another significant movement in analytic philosophy, so-called 'ordinary language' philosophy (e.g., Ryle, Strawson). In light of these influences, I claimed that Wittgenstein's influence on analytic philosophy was "second to none." I also pointed out that Wittgenstein's present influence extends beyond discussions of rule-following (e.g., McDowell, Brandom).
The author was incredulous. Could I really be claiming that Wittgenstein's influence on analytic philosophy has been at least equal to that of Frege, Russell, Quine, Kripke, and Lewis? Even if my answer was 'yes,' I was clearly mistaken. After all, Jason Stanley had just said that Wittgenstein wasn't that influential. Surely I wouldn't disagree with a professor who works in analytic philosophy.
Shortly thereafter, Jason Stanley returned to explain that, aside from Kripke and those influenced by Kripke on rule-following, current analytic philosophers who have been influenced by Wittgenstein are all scholarly types who are "devoted to explaining his project" (e.g., Diamond, Conant, Hacker). Apparently, McDowell and Brandom don't count because they were also influenced by Kant and Hegel. Stanley finished up his comment with
I think it's fair to say that on current debates [Wittgenstein] has figured less prominently than metaphysicians such as David Lewis or Saul Kripke, not to mention Frege and Russell.
To which I responded,
I don't diasagree with this. I've been making two points: (1) Wittgenstein's influence on the last century of analytic philosophy is "second to none": two major movements in analytic philosophy — logical positivism, and "ordinary language" philosophy — are direct offshoots of Wittgenstein's thought; and (2) the current influence of Wittgensteinian ideas is not confined to debates about rule-following. There are prominent philosophers (Putnum, McDowell, Brandom) in current analytic philosophy who are not primarily interested in commenting on Wittgenstein but nonetheless rely (in some instances, heavily) on Wittgensteinian ideas. I take it you wouldn't disagree with either point.
I also do not deny that the vast majority of current philosophy of language either rejects or ignores Wittgensteinian ideas. Personally, I think this is a failing of current philosophy of language, but that's a different discussion.
Stanley didn't reply to my comment, but he did have more to say about Wittgenstein:
Those who are now attracted to Wittgenstein are people who never saw the sense or interest in traditional philosophical questions. Since those are the questions that professional philosophers have always pursued, in the United States and elsewhere, many people attracted to Wittgenstein do not see the interest in the discipline of philosophy. But none of this has anything to do with America, or some supposed pretend distinction between analytic philosophy some other kind of philosophy. It just has to do with philosophy. Many people find it too boring or too hard, and see a vindication of their attitude in Wittgenstein.
Another commentor took issue with this:
Now this, like the preceding nonsense about "nonsense," is simply a perverse equivocation on "traditional" (would you say the same of Kant's rejection of "traditional" philosophy?!), and ends up very close to a slur. If you're not interested in Wittgenstein or the issues he raises about philosophy, fine. No one's forcing you to think about such things. But this characterization of the issue isn't any better than the Anonymous rant that started us off. As our indulgent hosts might say: feh.
There was a bit more exchange between the author and some others who had joined in, but then, sadly, the discussion drew to a close.
I've been reflecting on all of this the last few days. How is this view of the history of analytic philosophy possible? I'm reminded of something Michael Kremer wrote about Soames's history of analytic philosophy:
The books are uneven in many ways, reflecting Soames's varying level of expertise. This comes out in the lists of suggested additional readings appended to the twelve major parts of the two volumes. For example, the suggestions for Volume 1, Part Three, "Ludwig Wittgenstein's Tractatus," consist of one book and three articles. While the one book, by Robert Fogelin, is a standard secondary source, the other pieces all discuss a fine point concerning the expressive capacity of Wittgenstein's logic — an issue first raised in Fogelin's book. In contrast, the list of additional readings for Volume 2, Part Seven, "Saul Kripke on Naming and Necessity," includes 9 books and 36 articles. The difference between these lists does not reflect the relative sizes of the two literatures, or the quality of the work. One is left to suppose that it reflects the state of Soames's own expertise.
Thursday, May 1, 2008
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This is not at all surprising, really. A.C. Grayling argues the same thing in his book about Wittgenstein, that he really had no influence at all after the Tractatus. Completely insane. Of course, Grayling's book is awful anyway, and I am still angry at the fact that it is currently the 'Wittgenstein' book in the "A Short Introduction to..." series of books.
Funnily enough, I just started reading Hacker's 'W.'s Place in 20th Century Analytic Philosophy', which makes the same (and correct) argument that you did, that W. was hugely influential to two major philosophical movements. I imagine that you've read it as well, given what you said?
I am drawing on Hacker's book (which is excellent). Even before I had read Hacker, I had a pretty good idea of Wittgenstein's influence. Russell's articles in the Monist on logical atomism are explicitly indebted to Wittgenstein. Ramsey and Carnap acknowledge debts to Wittgenstein left and right. Waismann was basically Wittgenstein's philosophical partner in the early 30s. It's impossible to read Concept of Mind without seeing Wittgenstein's influence (something Ryle readily admitted). Strawson's account of meaning as rules for use in "On Referring" is obviously Wittgensteinian.
One prominent analytic philosopher I forgot to include who explicitly acknowledges debts to Wittgenstein is John Searle. His idea of the Background is Wittgensteinian (though Searle misunderstands it), as is the idea of a speech act (I even think his dog is named 'Ludwig').
Those guys on that article dismiss Wittgenstein as J.L. Austin did: "Well, suppose everyone has a beetle in the box. Next week everyone bring a box with a beetle in it."
( Conversations With John Searle. p.23 )
Wittgenstein was a maverick analytic; he draws on brilliant philosophers like Kierkegaard, wrote in an almost poetic style, and he will be remembered long after the names Schlick, Ayer, Ryle and Carnap have turned into dust.
N.N.:
W.'s impact on Ryle is quite striking actually, and as you say one can't miss it when reading 'Concept of Mind'. W. also told Ryle's cousin that he (Ryle) was one of the few people who understood his work.
And of course, one cannot simply dismiss the extraordinary flowering of Ordinary Language Philosophy in the late 50s and into the 60s, especially at Oxford, largely due to Wittgenstein and his students.
As for Searle, I'm skeptical of him. He says that W. influenced him, but if he did it's either through misunderstanding or mere lip service. His view on the relation between science and philosophy, and especially his views on the mind and consciousness, are decidedly non-Wittgensteinian.
Brandon,
I agree with you about much of Searle's philosophy. That is, I think Searle is influenced by a misinterpretation of Wittgenstein. Given the numerous interpretations of Wittgenstein, this is true of many philosophers. In his disagreement with Hacker, Dennett claims to be following Wittgenstein. In his recent conference paper "Rule-Following Revisited," Warren Goldfarb quotes the following bit from Dennett's piece on Wittgenstein in Time magazine:
Wittgenstein, like any other charismatic thinker, continues to attract
fanatics who devote their life to disagreeing with one another ...about
the ultimate meaning of his words. These disciples cling myopically to
their Wittgenstein, not realizing that there are many great
Wittgensteins to choose from.
Goldfarb adds, "I am, I admit, a fanatic: I would like to find out the meaning of Wittgenstein’s
words. (Even their ultimate meaning, if that’s different.)" Even though I deplore Dennett's attitude toward Wittgenstein (or any other philosopher), I think we can still call this an 'influence' or sorts. It's generally agreed that Carnap misinterprets the Tractatus, nevertheless, Carnap's positions are heavily indebted to his encounter with Wittgenstein's thought whether he gets it right or not.
You left out the part where we agreed! In fact I do think everyone agrees here – except those outside philosophy, or in it for that matter, who think that analytic philosophy as a whole has turned away from the Good, the True and the Beautiful toward nihilistic "language games" because of Wittgenstein's dire influence. It is in reacting to this charge in particular that people's philosophical differences present themselves, misleadingly, as empirical disagreements (about the extent of W's influence). Now that the latter have been pretty much cleared up, we can go back to the former – yay!
I agree (if that's what you're saying) that Wittgenstein himself would have been just as appalled by Dennett's naturalism as by Searle's Cartesianism, but for some reason I am bugged more by the latter. Dennett at least gets some anti-Cartesian use out of what he gets from Wittgenstein (and Ryle) and in that context I don't really care where he gets it (even if he then does other things wrong). Searle just seems to miss the point completely.
Another philosopher in this category is Stroud. As with Searle, I couldn't believe it when I found out Stroud takes W. to be an influence. However, I respect Stroud quite a bit for his forthrightness about his inability to think his way out of his self-admittedly aporetic position, and he's very good about taking down lame attempts by others to avoid it. Recently, in fact (I need to read more of his recent stuff), he has seemed even, possibly, to be working his way toward the light; but it's very hard for Cartesians to change their spots, so I'd be surprised if he ever made it.
Of course, yet another guy in this category is (Colin) McGinn; but him I respect least of all. Have you seen his blog? It's an embarrassment to the profession.
Incidentally, I see you've amended the post since I first saw it. No need to be coy on my behalf – I stand by my words. I get steamed when people who find little of value in Philosophical Investigations feel the need to pontificate, out of sheer ignorance, about the motivations of those of us do find a great deal there. Not the first time we've run into that!
I had no idea that Searle claims his notion of "background" is Wittgensteinian. I've mainly encountered it through Dreyfus & co.'s occasional references to Searle, so I'd figured they were all drawing from Heidegger (with Searle presumably doing so at a great remove). A quick glance at "The Primacy of Phenomenology over Logical Analysis" shows that I was apparently wrong about every bit of how that all went down -- Dreyfus thought Searle was offering something Husserlian, so he decided to play Heidegger to Searle's Husserl, and then this eventually went all kerflooey. I have no idea what Searle thinks he's taking from Wittgenstein. (Perhaps this just shows that I don't know Searle very well. But I'm not terribly inclined to spend time getting to know him better. I got about halfway through "The Rediscovery of Mind" before finding something else to do.)
I actually like Dennett's attitude towards historical philosophers in that article; if everyone keeps tearing off bits & pieces* of so-and-so, then at least so-and-so is still acknowledged as being in the conversation. If all there was was fanatics, then I expect contemporary philosophy would be more myopic than it already is. So, two cheers for plundering graves!
*"Schopenhauer as Educator" comes to mind as relevant, here. "I never pick him up without tearing off a wing or a leg" strikes me as pretty much the highest praise you can give a work.
Our agreement seems to be occasioned by silly comments about Wittgenstein.
I do need to get back to the philosophical differences themselves. I havn't had a substantive post in a while. The primary reason is that I've been pouring every drop of thought into finishing up my dissertation (I think the end of July is realistic). I've also been trying to refashion part of it into an article I can send off for publication.
Perhaps I'll do a few posts on Naming and Necessity. All of this 'who-cares-about-Wittgenstein-we-love-metaphysics' sentiment has resulted in my rereading it (it's one of the roots of that sentiment). I dislike it now even more than I did when I first read it in school. I am also interested to read the Price article that Daniel linked to.
Concerning coyness, I wanted to err on the side of caution.
Daniel,
I'm not opposed to tearing off bits and pieces, so long as they actually are bits and pieces. What bothers me about Dennett's attitude is that it implies that a bad interpretation is on a par with a good interpretation, so long as the interpreter can make use of the text he's interpreting. Implicit in this is the idea that the reader is on a par with the great philosophical authors of past and present--that what he takes from the text is as good as what the author put in it. Except for the rare occasion when philosophical greats read philosophical greats, this is almost always wrong (it seems to me). I had a professor say to me early in my career that if I were to ever take the time to get intimately familiar with the thought of any of the giants of the tradition, I would find their arguments persuasive. I think this is, for the most part true, though I've only had the opportunity to even go some of the distance with two thinkers, LW and Aristotle. I don't consider Dennett in the same league as LW or Aristotle (or Plato, Aquinas, Kant, Hegel, etc.). Sorry, that's a bit rambling, but I am on my way out the door.
Argh. I had a comment written up, and then my finger slipped and I refreshed the page somehow. A rougher version; I'm not going to worry about how it flows this time:
"I had a professor say to me early in my career that if I were to ever take the time to get intimately familiar with the thought of any of the giants of the tradition, I would find their arguments persuasive. I think this is, for the most part true"
I suspect this is quite right. But this gives me pause, since it at least appears that The Greats disagree among themselves. So their persuasiveness can't be entirely due to the cogency of their thought. "Academic stockholm syndrome" comes to mind. (This is of course not always the case. But I think it's a real threat.)
I'm also not inclined to worry about whether or not I'm in a position to question The Greats. If I can't make their thought my own possession, then it can be nothing to me; if I can make it my own, then we're on a level playing field. (Which is not to say it's a fair match. But it is a match.)
I'm also inclined to stress the need for a critical distance from what one wants to learn from, in addition to the need to "submit oneself" to the text. Err on one side, and one feels "persuaded" when one merely slavishly repeats what one has read; err on the other, and one becomes impervious to attempts at education. (Ayn Rand books seems to have this effect a lot.) It's a balancing act.
I'm perfectly happy to let bad interpretations flourish, if that's the price of having good interpretations sprout up every so often. (Kripke's rule-following book is lousy, but much of the literature it spurred into being by its sheer awfulness is quite good.)
My outlook on these sorts of topics is probably colored by my enthusiasm for Hegel. Considering his reputation a century ago, I'm thrilled just to see that anyone's reading him seriously again; I much prefer a mass of bad Hegel interpretation to none of any kind.
Hi.. sorry for adding a comment that doesn't have anything to do with this particular post. I tried emailing your 'emptyreference' email address but it got sent back to me. This is what I wrote....
Hi
I'm at the University of Leeds doing an MA in philosophy and over the next 3/4 months I will be writing a dissertation on WIttgenstein (and iwll be supervised by Roger White). Struggling to put all my thoughts down in one go to formulate a line of argument, I thought it might be useful to find a forum to put my thoughts down piece-meal, alloweing me to 'detect' or 'extend' the general themes that arise from the discussion.
I was just wondering whether, if you are interested, would occassionally take a look and criticise or comment on what I say. Part of writing it in this way will lead me to be often 'wide of the mark' but sometimes this may be initially needed to come up with a new angle or emphasis. You will find it at: http://makingsenseofwittgenstein.blogspot.com/
If you could, that would be wonderful
Neil Clarke
Neil,
I'd be happy to. I've also put your blog in the "Wittgenstein(ish) Blogs" section. Maybe some of the other regulars will drop by to discuss Wittgenstein.
I met Roger White at a conference a few years back. He was very gracious in answering some questions I put to him. I think it would be a pleasure to write for him.
P.S. My email address is empty_reference@yahoo.com
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