Saturday, January 26, 2008

Don't Mention the 'W' Word

On Dave's recommendation, I've been working my way through Baker's "Philosophical Investigations section 122: neglected aspects." Though I still owe my readers (all six of you) a discussion of Kremer's article (see below), and I've mentioned writing something about McGinn's Elucidating the Tractatus, I'm going to move a post on Baker to the head of the line. But before I do, I've found some more depressing words for aspiring Wittgenstein scholars.

In addition to comparing Baker's article to Hacker's revised discussion of "surveyability and surveyable representations," I've been reading reviews of Baker's Wittgenstein’s Method: Neglected Aspects. In particular, I've found Peter Sullivan's review in Mind and Hutchinson & Read's review in Philosophy to be helpful (in the same review Hutchinson & Read discuss Hacker's Wittgenstein: Connections and Controversies; as you might expect, they're not sympathetic). Hutchinson and Read preface their review with the following comments on Wittgenstein's current reputation.

Since the publication of Wittgenstein’s Philosophical Investigations in 1953 there have appeared a huge number of secondary texts published on different aspects of his life, his work and his place in the philosophical canon. The sheer volume of texts alone might indicate to a non philosopher (or at least to someone who does their philosophizing outside the universities of the UK and USA) that Wittgenstein was the pre-eminent philosopher of the twentieth century and the philosopher of that century that can be truly said to take up a place alongside the greats: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, Descartes, Hume, Kant…etc. However, from those doing their philosophizing within the academy there is an increasingly apparent and contrasting sense that Wittgenstein is not only less significant than those philosophers who are usually considered as taking their place in the canon, but less significant than his twentieth century contemporaries: Frege, Russell, Carnap, Turing; and even than many of those who have been preeminent in the latter part of the century: Quine, Davidson, Kripke, (early) Putnam etc. It is common to hear young professional philosophers talking of Wittgenstein as if his contribution to our subject amounted to something akin to a statistical blip—that is, while appearing to many for a short period in the mid twentieth century to have done nothing less than transform our subject, he is now, with the perspective afforded by history, seen as bordering on the insignificant in light of the wider picture—of the progression of our subject—that we now have. Indeed, research grant applications do well to leave out the ‘W’ word. Young academics are advised to play down any interest in Wittgenstein when applying for jobs. And if one wants one’s critique of a particular philosophical picture to be treated on its merits alone one better not mention that critique’s Wittgensteinian debts or heritage.

So, how can this be? Think of the questions raised here. For instance, how can one of the most notoriously difficult-to-grasp philosophers of the twentieth century spawn a publishing industry of his own, an industry with its decidedly ‘populist’ end? An industry, that is, which ranges from books on ‘Tractarian’ logical form, written by logicians and impenetrable to all but those trained in formal logic, to books on a ten-minute ‘argument’, written by a couple of journalists, who acknowledge that no one present at the ‘argument’ (between Popper and Wittgenstein) really remembers what was said, a book marketed to the ‘departure lounge’ and the ‘3-for-2’ book-buyer? In short, Wittgenstein’s name sells books almost anywhere; but knowledge of and admiration for his philosophy does not necessarily help you to sell yourself as a philosopher, one bit.

We think the answer to the question posed at the head of the previous paragraph is to be found in that vast secondary literature, which spans the two extremes we invoked. We suspect that the interest in Wittgenstein that leads to publishers commissioning so many books indicates far more on the part of the book-buyers than a mere voyeuristic interest in a somewhat eccentric and domineering character; we think it also indicates that his interest as a philosopher lies in more than his contributions to the earlytwentieth-century development of philosophical logic (narrowly construed). Furthermore, we argue that those who summarily dismiss Wittgenstein’s lasting significance are generally found to be dismissing a straw Wittgenstein, though crucially a straw Wittgenstein often fashioned by ‘friends’ and foes alike.

Who, you ask, is the the principal 'friendly' straw Wittgenstein fashioner? That's right, Peter Hacker.

15 comments:

Brandon E. Beasley said...

Are Hutchison & Read sympathetic to Baker's later interpretation of W., or do they have another?

And I can't believe that people think that Hacker's W. is a "straw" W. If anything, Baker's later interpretation is the absurd, easily dismissed one.

Hacker's Wittgenstein (which I would argue is as close as we can get to the real Wittgenstein), is certainly the most plausible and most powerful of all the interpretations. It places him squarely within the philosophical tradition, and allows us to see the true power of his outlook towards the subject.

That said, Hutchison & Read are correct in saying that W. is not the best name to be bandying about as a student. Unlike any other philosopher, being influenced by W. often carries a stigma; one that isn't attached to say Hume or Quine. And this is a bad thing, obviously.

Duck said...

Well, of course that's what Read's going to argue (I don't know Hutchinson; are these things online? I'll check your links). He disagrees with Hacker; we knew that already.

I can well understand why it rubs you the wrong way to see Hackenstein described as "straw", as that locution implies not only that Hackenstein isn't the "real" Wittgenstein, but also that he (the former) is easily dismissed (i.e. as wrong about how things are). The least R & H could do, it must seem, is to keep these two claims distinct rather than running them together like that, as obviously neither entails the other.

Yet when the shoe is on the other foot, you can see how easy it is to do this. You, Brandon, surely take (let's call him) "Bakenstein" to be "absurd" not simply because you don't find support for that reading in the text, but also because you think that Bakenstein is wrong about language. As I read him, that's one of the things Wittgenstein himself is trying to tell us: we too quickly assume that we can peel apart (agreements and) disagreements about language from (same) about how things are. (Of course, again, both claims could be true.)

From my own experience, FWIW, I can understand why someone might describe Hackenstein as "straw." I was taught the philosophy of language (grad and undergrad) in the context of (first) Frege/Carnap/Quine/earlier Putnam/Kripke/Burge and (then) Davidson, McDowell, and more Davidson. When I read the Investigations it came to seem to me that in that context it is Wittgenstein (i.e. rather than Rorty) who shows us the way out of the now-proverbial fly-bottle. When I tried to explain why, (some) people (one literally) made the sign of the cross at the name, and made bizarre objections about "armchair linguistic philosophy" which had nothing at all to do with what I was saying, and urged the likes of Jerry Fodor as a properly naturalistic antidote (like that's gonna happen).

Only later (in fact, only recently) have I begun to see that it was probably Hackenstein they were reacting against (rather than, say, having read the Investigations themselves). Even if Hacker is proved to be entirely correct about what Wittgenstein was up to (and it may be a salutary exercise to think about what it is in which such a proof could consist, especially given whom we're talking about here), that's no real skin off my nose. In fact, if all that I now take to have gotten from the Investigations (and that's a lot) is only what I (and Cavell, and McDowell, and the later Baker) have read into it, then: so much the better for us, even if also: so much the worse for (the historical) Wittgenstein. And I imagine you'd say the same if it went the other way. Or is your loyalty more to that particular Anglo-Austrian scion of privilege than to philosophy? (Surely not.)

That's what I say also, for example, about Brian Leiter's naturalistic (i.e. proto-Quinean) Nietzsche. Maybe (but I doubt it) Nietzsche really was saying that. If so, he's not as interesting as I thought – yet his writings are still helpful, even if the readings on which they come out that way (say, Christoph Cox's) are somehow historically "wrong". But part of me says: so what? (This is e.g., Deleuze's attitude toward outraged Spinoza scholars – but I refuse to put it the way he did!) Interestingly, I understand the later Baker tried to extract a defensible Descartes from that philosopher's writings.

N. N. said...

Brandon,

I certainly think that Hacker is nearest to the 'real' Wittgenstein (though, believe it or not, I think he is wrong on some important points). As for Baker, I have not read enough to have an informed opinion, but my first reaction to his interpretation of PI 122 was disagreement. Of course, and I can't stress this enough, I am still a student. Hacker and Baker are giants. They have decades of Wittgenstein scholarship to their names, and to even be in a position to agree or disagree with either of them requires a great deal of preparation. I am not there (nor, I'd wager, are many of their critics). I have hunches that I hope to develop into well-thought-out positions.

I posted their comments on Wittgenstein's reputation because I think that, whatever the cause (and I think Hutchison and Read have misdiagnosed it to serve their own purposes), it is unfortunate (both for me and for philosophy).

N. N. said...

Dave,

The review is not online. Here are the relevant parts:

"So where do we find Hacker at the start of the twenty-first century?
And does he, as the most prominent Wittgenstein exegete writing today,
make a cogent case for Wittgenstein’s continued philosophical relevance? It is with these thoughts in mind that we approach the collection under review here.
[...]
There is much we can find pretty agreeable in the above passage. However, there is also much which does damage to Wittgenstein as the philosopher of significance we think him to be. For instance, is it really plausible that the errors of philosophers are of the crude type—of ‘type-confusions’—
made central in the early part of this quotation? Isn’t this precisely the kind of crude criticism of philosophers—as little more than linguistic idiots who fail to notice the most elementary distinctions between different words etc.—that is likely to put people off, put readers’ backs up? That is to say: Not persuade; Not dissolve delusions; Not lead the philosopher themselves to give up those claims which they are inclined to make?
[...]
Hacker seems not to realize why others find his form of ‘Wittgensteinianism’ easy to dismiss. But a glance at the following passage might indicate why it is.
[...]
‘Logical grammar’, ‘topography’; we are in Gilbert Ryle territory here. Some might not see that as a problem. But we remind you of our
concerns above.
[...]
On balance, then, we do not find Hacker’s work as helpful an addition to the secondary literature on Wittgenstein as many will perhaps have hoped that it would be."

Let me say that, as wrong as I think, e.g., Conant is, I think his interpretation of Wittgenstein and the related account of nonsense (even on its own merits) is both exegetically tempting and philosophically interesting. So even if I think he's wrong on both counts (i.e., as an interpretation of Wittgenstein and as a philosophical position), I have been rewarded for struggling with the questions he raises.

N. N. said...

My mistake. Hutchison and Read's review is online.

http://www.uea.ac.uk/~j339/publications.htm

It's in the "Papers 2005 +" section under the title "Review Article: Whose Wittgenstein?"

Duck said...

Thanks, I was looking under "Book Reviews" - silly me!

You're right about these guys having a lot more experience than us, which is why I leave open the possibility that Hacker is right about what that particular Austrian guy actually thought. Still, I do know what is helpful to me philosophically (at this time, at least) and what is not.

I have to say I'm not sure about Read's point that there is a "popular" interest in Wittgenstein. He seems to be thinking of just that one book about the poker, or maybe the Derek Jarman movie. But such things are vastly outnumbered by the scholarly literature.

Daniel Lindquist said...

"(This is e.g., Deleuze's attitude toward outraged Spinoza scholars – but I refuse to put it the way he did!)"

What, you'd prefer not to describe your attitude as one of "buggery"?

I actually found "Spinoza: Practical Philosophy" fairly plausible as a reading of Spinoza, at least on the bit that Deleuze was concerned with in that book. He's quoting Spinoza's letters pretty extensively there, so it'd be surprising if he was really that far afield from the historical Benedictus. I suppose he might've been more reckless in the glossary; I only skimmed that part of the book.

If memory serves, the "buggery" line originally had to do with his reading of Hume. Which is, uh, novel.

N. N. said...

The debate in the secondary literature over Wittgenstein has similarities (it seems to me) to the scholasitc debate over Aristotle. Scholastic philosophers, e.g., Scotus and Ockham, had philosophical disagreements in their own right that were couched in terms of the proper interpretation of Aristotle. Similarly, the debate between Kenny, Hacker, and Glock, on the one hand, and Cavell, McDowell, Baker, and Conant on the other is (in addition to a disagreement over Wittgenstein), a philosophical disagreement about whether philosophy ought to be constructive. Dave says that, if the former turn out to be correct with respect to Wittgenstein, then "so much the worse for (the historical) Wittgenstein." For my part, I view the philosophical attitude characterized by Rorty with skepticism. I much prefer the Rylean approach. Read and Hutchinson dismiss Ryle's approach with a footnote, and they use Ryle's name as a pejorative: "we are in Gilbert Ryle territory here," so this must be a mistake. Perhaps after the exegetical discussion of Baker's article, we can address the papers referenced in the footnote.

Akos Polgardi said...

I'm not sure Ryle's approach is dismissed by R&H because of a difference in their respective conceptions of (the aim of) philosophy. Rather, it seems to me that R&H (or 'resolute readers' in general, for that matter) cannot approve of Ryle's application of W because (to them) it appears to be contrary to the philosophical ambitions of the latter. That is to say, resolute readers wouldn't agree that construction of any theory (of mind, in Ryle's case) is a legitimate use of W-ian insights.
As for the question of whose W is closer to the 'real' one, I don't think this makes much sense. If 'new' readings of the Tractatus are of any relevance, I would say this consists in their putting a further spin on W-reception, by the light of which new aspects (like TLP 6.53) can be made (more) sense of. Obviously this spin need not bring us closer to (the opinions of) a (historically) real author.
[Please excuse my English; obviously I'm not a native speaker.]

N. N. said...

Akos,

Welcome. R&H certainly think that Hacker is wrong about Wittgenstein, but their differences of interpretation are mixed with a complaint that Hacker's incorrect interpretation is ruining Wittgenstein's reputation. That is, it's not just that Hacker's interpretation is wrong; in addition, the philosophical position it articulates is obviously mistaken, and therefore, easily dismissed. Whereas, the interpretation that R&H favor is both correct and philosophically interesting.

Akos Polgardi said...

n. n.,

first, my apologies for having forgotten to introduce myself, say hi etc. Also, I'd like to say that I really enjoy reading your blog (as well as the opinions of the commenters). In fact, it made me toy with the idea of starting one myself.
second, I have to agree that there is a sense of arrogance (this might not be the best word) present in some of the New Wittgensteinians' texts. Nevertheless, I believe, claiming that familiarity with traditional interpretations is almost a necessary condition for understanding/appreciating resolute readings, seems to be in line with the new interpreters intentions (even if it doesn't explain R&H's attitude). More specifically, this "logical" primacy of standard readings, I think, quite nicely repeats the general narrative strucure attributed (by the resolutes) to the Tractatus. Please, let me know if I'm entirely wrong here.

N. N. said...

Akos,

If I understand what you're saying, I don't think you're wrong about the NWs with respect to the Tractatus. Conant, for example, holds that the various standard (i.e., substantial) readings of the Tractatus are dialectical moments in the 'argument' of the book. They are meant to be discarded in the end once the reader has seen them dissolve in his hands, so to speak.

I don't think the NWs attribute the same dialectical structure to the Investigations (If I'm mistaken, someone please correct me). It doesn't encourage it's readers to hold substantial positions only to see them as nonsensical. It seems to me that, on their reading of the later philosophy, the ladder has been already thrown away.

Duck said...

Similarly [to the scholastic/Aristotle case], the debate between Kenny, Hacker, and Glock, on the one hand, and Cavell, McDowell, Baker, and Conant on the other is (in addition to a disagreement over Wittgenstein), a philosophical disagreement about whether philosophy ought to be constructive.

Or at least about what counts as "constructive" in the disagreeable sense. Surely there is some sense in which what we say should be "constructive" – e.g. the sense in which that word means "helpful" – and some sense in which any reader of PI has to say that (Wittgenstein believes that) it shouldn't be (or even can't be).

Dave says that, if the former turn out to be correct with respect to Wittgenstein, then "so much the worse for (the historical) Wittgenstein." For my part, I view the philosophical attitude characterized by Rorty with skepticism. I much prefer the Rylean approach. Read and Hutchinson dismiss Ryle's approach with a footnote, and they use Ryle's name as a pejorative: "we are in Gilbert Ryle territory here," so this must be a mistake.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "the philosophical attitude characterized by Rorty" here. Do you mean a latitudinarian attitude toward the interpretation of philosophical texts (which I at least partly share, as I said above, as I care more about how things are than about what any one person believed (or what any one text "means"), even if that person is Ludwig Wittgenstein)? Or instead the spurning of "constructive" philosophy? W/r/t the latter, I think both Rorty and the NW's go too far toward Pyrrhonism, while to the extent that I understand what it is supposed to consist in, I find Rylean "conceptual analysis" to be either too "constructive" (in Read's sense, qua, I don't know, "uncontextual") or not "constructive" enough (qua "conceptual"). It might help if I knew the difference between Ryle/Hacker/Hackenstein on the one hand and someone like Strawson on the other. I think I have Hacker's article on that from the reviewed book, but I haven't located it yet. My guess is that Hacker distrusts the Kantian tone of Strawson's project (itself too "constructive," perhaps?).

Perhaps after the exegetical discussion of Baker's article, we can address the papers referenced in the footnote.

I like Hertzberg's paper ("The Sense is Where you find it", available from his webpage), and it's interesting to note that the NW's come in for just as much criticism (for their obsession with "nonsense") as does anyone else. I have the Conant paper around somewhere (spent an hour looking for it today, without success), but I haven't read, or even heard of, the book they mention (Anthony Palmer, Concept and Object).

I think that's right about the difference between the NW TLP and PI. But there's still (as Baker notes) at least a tension between seeing one of the voices in PI as (say) the voice of sweet reason, on the one hand, and taking that voice to speak philosophical truth. What that voice says is not what is thought to be "nonsensical" – what is nonsensical is taking whatever that is as a philosophical doctrine. (This is exactly what the ancient Pyrrhonists say, which is why that label, which Read for one self-attributes, is appropriate.) On the other hand I do agree with the idea that there's a tension there – it's just not enough to license (metaphilosophical) skepticism.

Akos, by all means start your own blog. The more, the merrier!

Duck said...

Oh, and Daniel: you're right about that Spinoza book (of Deleuze's) - it's the other one (Spinoza: Expressionism in Philosophy, the one which might as well be Difference and Repetition) which he sees as the "bastard child". But yes, I think he thought of himself as getting not only Spinoza but also Hume, Nietzsche, Bergson, the Stoics, etc., with child.

Daniel Lindquist said...

"I don't think the NWs attribute the same dialectical structure to the Investigations (If I'm mistaken, someone please correct me). It doesn't encourage it's readers to hold substantial positions only to see them as nonsensical. It seems to me that, on their reading of the later philosophy, the ladder has been already thrown away."

This doesn't sound entirely right to me (though neither does it sound entirely wrong). I think the NWs think that the TLP and the PI have different strategies for attaining their common end, but not entirely different ones. Both of them are concerned with making certain "substantial" positions vanish, and not with actually leading the reader to hold any substantial view (except with the intent of abandoning it, along with other substantial views, as the dialectic continues). It's just that the PI has this process going on in the text much more clearly -- you have one voice say something like "It seems that bleh must be so", then further voices make this no longer seem reasonable, and similar tropes. The PI is plainly "dialectical" in many places. Whereas in the TLP, the reader is left to do a lot of the dialectical heavy lifting for him-or-herself -- even noticing that the book is supposed to be dialectical requires a good bit of work, and climbing over any particular "rung" is a matter of reading the book over again. But both the TLP and the PI have a "set 'em up and knock 'em down" rhythm to them, on the resolute reading; it's just that the TLP sets 'em up for a lot longer before knocking 'em down.

In particular, it strikes me as wrong to say that the resolute reading regards "the ladder as already having been thrown away" by the point of the later philosophy; at least in "Moses and Monowittgensteinianism", it looks like it'd be more accurate to say that in the later philosophy, the Early Wittgenstein is seen to be still standing on some rungs (which he had not noticed to be rungs at all). And so the Early Wittgenstein did not really toss the ladder away. But the rungs which the Early Wittgenstein had already climbed over remain climbed over, and don't need re-climbing in the later philosophy. So the ladder would've been tossed away in the early philosophy, if it wasn't so tall. But in that case there would be no need for the later philosophy. (The ladder metaphor is straining under the weight I'm putting on it here, but I blame Conant for that.)

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